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this sunday, the end game. does donald trump go scorched earth -- >> all of these lies will be sued after the election is over. >> or does dignity. >> i'm asking the american people to rise prove the clutter. >> our guests are tim kaine and trump campaign manager kellyanne conway. plus, going big. >> i have spent 4 1/2 hours on stage with donald, proving once again i have the stamina to be
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chief. >> does hillary clinton try to run up the score to shut down any talk of a rigged election? and clinton hopes to turn a white house win into a big night for democrats down the ballot. >> she's running against someone who refuses to stand up to donald trump. >> joining me for insight and analysis are tom friedman of "the new york times." iliana johnson of the national review. republican strategist stuart stevens "the new york times." welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. while it's too early to declare this election over, remember my colleague tom brokaw's ufo theory, the unforeseen will occur, it's trending in hillary clinton's direction. what's in store for the next 2 1/2 weeks though, does hillary clinton play it safe and try to lock down 270 electoral votes or
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landslide? does she try to quell the talk of a rigged election by pushing hard into red states like utah, georgia and arizona, sensing an opportunity since the last time the clinton was on the ballot. how about donald trump, his tone and his words have been more reserved. he's seeing the same polls we are. does he try to win or lose with grace? does he try to save down ballot republicans or does he even care? >> if i lose, >> donald trump is delivering the closing argument. outlining plans for his first 100 days in office. while acknowledging he may never make it to the white house. >> you know, these guys have said, doesn't matter if you win or lose, there's never been a movement like this in the history of the country. it matters to me if we win or lose. >> with the senate an even the house in the balance, republicans are bracing themselves for the scorched
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scrambling to protect vulnerable seats in any way they can. >> i'll each you in suspense. >> the unprecedented threat he may not accept the election results sent the party into a tail spin. republicans rushed to condemn trump. >> i don't believe in -- that there's a rigged election system. >> senator john mccain said in a statement, in every previous election, the loser congratulates the winner and calls them my president. that's not just the republican way it's the american way. in a new nbc news surveymonkey online poll shows that 45% of republicans may not accept the results of the election if trump loses. >> the integrity of the electoral process is at risk. >> i think it's already rigged to be perfectly honest. >> red states from arizona to georgia even utah are now in play. the rnc is focusing trump where he can do the least harm,
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traditional battleground states with competitive senate races even if trump himself may not win that state. because getting out trump voters still matters. >> we are going to win the state of wisconsin p. >> but the debate about the actions is now the main issue in competitive races across the country. >> pat toomey and donald trump, they're just wrong for the women of pennsylvania. >> kelly ayotte stood by him. >> a top adviser to donald trump. >> and on saturday, an 11th woman came trump of sexual misconduct. >> the events never happened. never. all of these liars will be sued after the election is over. >> republicans in tough races are trying everything from complete disavowal. >> no matter who the next president is, new hampshire needs a strong voice in the u.s. senate. that senator, kelly ayotte. >> one hillary in washington would be bad enough. reject jason candor.
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>> and somewhere in between. >> i'm still in the same mode i was monday night which is feeling stuck. >> joining me now is the democratic nominee for vice president, senator tim kaine of virginia. welcome back to "meet the press." >> chuck, good to be with you. thanks. >> let me start with whether you believe this race is over. your running mate secretary clinton said yesterday she's done responding to donald trump on anything and then a a importance of electing democrats down the ballot. do you believe this election is in the bag either? >> no, neither hillary and i do. if you look at the schedules for the next 17 days we're not taking anything for granted. it's a season of surprises. we like what we see now. we like the early voting activity and the absentee ballot requests coming in in other states but we're not taking anything for granted. we'll do everything we can
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evening of november 8th. >> i want to go to the hacked e-mails, wikileaks. you don't want to respond to them because you don't believe that they have all been confirmed but there has been out of 25,000 some e-mails released i think there's only been a dispute about two or three. why shouldn't the public look at these wikileaks e-mails and have it be something that informs them about secretary clinton? >> well, you know, chuck, again, these are connected to a russian government propaganda effort to destabilize the election, to affect the outcome of the election. >> does that change what -- but does that change what's in the e-mails? >> the motive for them is very, very important for americans to understand. this is near historic and then the one that has referred to me was flat out completely incorrect. so i don't know whether it was doctored or whether the person sending it didn't know what they
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information in them to be wrong. >> as you know, i want to bring up a politico story, the headline is wikileaks poisons hillary's relationship with the left. we were already kind of suspicious of where her instincts were, but now we see she is who we thought she was, said one operative. the honeymoon is going to be tight and small and maybe nonexistent. is it fair for progressives to look at these e-mails and have some doubts about secretary switches? >> i don't think so. if we're able to win, it will be america, you know, moving one step closer to our equality ideal. making history and that should be a cause for excitement. look, we have to get -- we have to come together, democrats, republicans and independents, because the nation has serious challenges that we have to tackle together. i was with hillary at two great
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own views. but she said at the end of the day, if i am president, i have to be president for everybody and we've got to reach out to everybody to craft an agenda that will work in all parts of this country. >> you know, it's interesting that you bring that up. i've heard her say that. she's also described half of trump's supporters as deplorable. she's criticized for instance pat toomey yesterday for supporting donald trump. are you going to be able to work with republicans who supported trump or when you campaign against republicans who support donald trump does that mean you don't want to work with them once they come to washington? >> i think the best evidence of that, chuck, is both of our track records. hillary had a super track record working across the aisle. she had that record as first lady. i'm struck as a senator from virginia how many of my republican colleagues talk up their respect for hillary and i know that that's the way she'll approach governing.
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that doesn't surprise anybody. after election day, we're expected to reach across the aisle that's what i have done in virginia and that's hillary's track record too. >> let me go back to wikileaks and one on tpp. this one was allegedly from ron clang and it was about the tpp flip-flop. he says this, she has to be for it. she called it the gold standard of trade agreements. i think opposing that would be a huge flip flop. sh she would work to change it. can she say it would better, but i think she should support it. why shouldn't her new position on tpp be referred to as a flip-flop? why isn't it a standard definition of flip flop? >> well, look, i mean, i'll use my own example. i voted to give the president the fast track ability to negotiate the best trade deal
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in 2015, i said, look, i have a couple of concerns and you've got to address these concerns because i'm not guaranteeing i eat vote for it on the merits. my concerns were largely around enforcement issues. hillary had the same view, there were a number of things she liked and other things she didn't. as was the case when she was a senator, remember, she voted for some trade deals and she voted against others. if they didn't meet her standard of raising the number of jobs, raising wages, and focusing on security angles, she'd vote against them. and her conclusion about the tpp which is required to be voted on up or down, no amendments, as it falls short of her standards. >> was it a requirement before you joined the ticket you come out against tpp? >> no. >> because you didn't come out as forcefully until after you joined the ticket. >> well, it was because look, we're month away from a vote. i was in the middle of meeting with various groups about the
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the record in 2015 deep concerns that i had, especially about the enforcement provisions. those concerns were not addressed and, you know, i tell you, trade deals if they're good enough can be okay. but if you embrace a trade deal that's bad, you deepen people's skepticism about trade in general and it's better to wait and try to find deals that meet your standards and not embrace deals that are substandard. >> after the election, president obama's going to be traveling overseas. probably talking up the idea of tpp and an asian trade agreement. if you guys are elected, will you pursue an asian trade agreement even if it's not the tpp? >> hillary and i haven't talked about that question directly, chuck, but look, we aren't against trade. we want to find export markets for american businesses because they'll be able to add workers the more they export. that's very important.
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europe, if we can find deals that meet those goals more jobs, higher wages and good for national security, and good enforcement provisions we're open to them. so no, you never close the door. if you can get a deal that's going to be good for american workers and our economy. >> so she could pursue a version of tpp? ? >> again, we haven't talked about that in particular. we aot going to be for whether the tpp will be brought up for a vote. we don't know what mitch mcconnell and paul ryan will do. if i'm in the senate i'll vote against it. we have to wait and see what they'll do. again, hillary has laid out the standard. if it doesn't meet three pillars we can't support it and tpp doesn't. >> do you think it will be appropriate or inappropriate for you as vice president elect to serve in the lame duck senate? >> well, it's pretty common to serve at least during part of
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one of issues that would be practical again we're not getting ahead of ourselves. i'm not assuming i'm going to win, but if i do, then the governor of virginia would have to make a decision about who to appoint to replace me and that isn't necessarily automatic. so rather than leave a gap, where virginia would have only one seto named. >> i'm curious as if as a catholic you were offended by one of the wikileaks that came out. an e-mail exchange that included the campaign spokesperson jennifer palmieri, one person wrote that referring to rupert murdoch for instance that they are both catholic, they're attracted to the faith because of the systemic thought and severely backward gender relations and palmieri said i think they think it's the most politically conservative religion.
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catholic, senator? >> you know, first, again, i don't know if those folks wrote those e-mails or not. >> but a lot of catholic americans have heard that, and some are offended by it. what do you say to them? >> here's what i say to them. hillary clinton's feeling about faith and about catholicism in particular is most demonstrated by the fact that she asked me to be her running mate and she described one of the reasons that she felt me was because of my own faith background. my missionary service in honduras and my jesuit education which she felt was a close match with her methodist upbringing. that's the most direct evidence about what she thinks about catholics. >> one final question here. last week, i asked vice president biden why -- why the obama administration wasn't implementing a no fly zone over aleppo and i know he endorsed
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syria. here's what he said to me. i'll ask you about it on the other thing. >> first things first, we must defeat isil. dod has told us that the assets we need to be able to do that have to be diverted. we could not do both. >> the obama administration says both can't be done. secretary clinton believes they can. why do you think the obama administration is wrong? >> well, look, the strong supporter of the president. strong supporter of the president, but since february of 2014, i have suggested that the united states and other nations should help implement the u.n. security council resolution passed during that month to allow for the cross border delivery of humanitarian aid into safe spaces in northern syria. i don't think it would be easy or automatic and i agree with vice president biden. back then i felt like if we
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we have in fact seen, a mass exodus of refugees from syria that are dangerous to the refugees themselves and destabilize other countries. my concern if we don't do that, we'll continue the see the exodus that will cause a security concern. >> there's a report over the weekend at&t going to buy time warner. almost some democrats including al franken are very skeptical of the merger. including donald trump as well. he said i'm skeptical of huge media mergers because they can lead to higher costs service for consumers. are you a skeptic of the merger as well? >> i share the concerns and questions. we have to get to the bottom of them. generally pro competition and less concentration i think is generally helpful. especially in the media. but this is just has been announced. i haven't had a chance to dig into the details but those are the kinds of questions we need to be asking. >> senator tim kaine, thanks for coming in. >> you bet.
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welcome back. just out this morning ask a new abc tracking poll and it has some tough news for donald trump. it has hillary clinton up by double digits nationally. 12 points. 50-38 in a four-way race. this is likely voters. last week by the way abc's poll had clinton up by just four. joining me is the campaign manager for trump, kellyanne conway. welcome back to the show. >> hi, chuck. >> let me ask you, most of s different methodology that have shown a tighter race. where do you see this race right now? do you acknowledge that you're behind? >> we are behind. she has some advantages like $66 million in ad buys just in the month of september. thereby doubling her ad buys from august. most are negative against donald trump. classic politics of personal destruction, ses pool kind of quad ads.
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campaigning for her, her husband, and she's -- she's seen as the incumbent. we were behind one, three, four points in some of the swing states that mitt romney lost to obama. our advantage is that donald trump is going to continue to take the case directly to the people. he doesn't expect to cut through the noise or the silence. and the way we're treated by some. and so he's taking the case, he's going to visit all of the swing states many running mate governor pence. we feel with hillary clinton under 50% even though she's run a traditional and expensive campaign we have a shot of getting the undecideds voters who says i don't want to vote for hillary clinton, and we need to bring them aboard over the next couple of weeks. >> yesterday it made a lot of sense that you guys had a reset speech.
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to -- he quoted lincoln at the top. talk about healing divisions but before he got to the first 100 day agenda items it was as substantive as a speech as he's given, he talked about threatening to sue all of the accusers who have come out threatening sexual misconduct is that a way to reset the last 16 days of the campaign? >> it's a way to defend himself and remind everybody what he has said many times which is none of this is true. they're fabrications, all lies. he dispensed with that in sentence or two. but he talked about the rigged, corrupt system. it did include some in the media, not all, but most. 96% of the donations went to hillary clinton by working journalists. 96%. there's no arguing -- >> no act -- there was no political journalists in there. i get where you're going with that, but that includes people who cover sports or entertainment. i mean, i'm just saying. let's give it some nuance here.
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get it down from a couple of points from 96. there's no nuance, chuck. you have a print reporter from a major outlet saying, hey, i'm just a hack, john podesta, so do you like what i'm saying in the article? here's some editorial latitude if you want to change anything. this should not be. so when he talks about the rigged, corrupt system, remember, he's standing up for the forgotten man and the forgotten woman. this is not about him. this is about white knuckled trying to paying the bill. they're feeling their pressnary against the nose of the rigged system and can't get in their. they're watching everybody else benefit. he speaking for them. he has legitimate is because he was once an insider. he said that yesterday. >> i understand that. he instead focused on himself. he instead talked about the allegations and he instead brought it up. i mean, this is campaign -- >> it was a small piece of a 42-minute speech. a small piece. >> threatening a lawsuit though
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them now? why wait till after the election? >> because we're busy winning the presidency. we're little bit busy over here doing that. and he's i think putting people on notice that they just -- they can't just falsely accuse him. he's said none of this has happened. they're all fabrications and lies and i thought he gave a robust and substantive outline of what he did. what contract of america, there are specific solutions and he said hold us accountable. no accountability in washington. drain the swamp. >> given the various tweets, maybe subtle tweets you have done this week when people have said, hey, somebody shouted i wish he would focus on message more, or boy, bad hombres, that's a trump being trump answer, not a conwayesque
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nod and then a trump supporter said to mike pence this yesterday. take a listen. >> please tell donald trump to stick to the issues and he'll beat hillary. i'm tired of the crap. >> good luck. >> that voter, he said, dell trump this is what -- tell trump to stick to the issues. do you wish he wouldn't have brought up the lawsuit threat yesterday? >> i think donald trump is at his best when he issues it's how he's started. it's what's propelled his candidacy. but the issue sets benefits the pence -- the trump/pence ticket in this way. people believe that radical islamic terrorism has not been defeated. they think that obamacare is a bad deal for many americans and everyday affordability is elusive to them and bringing back manufacturing the jobs,
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that propelled trump. when he talks about it like he did yesterday in gettysburg, he's at his finest. i have a sense of humor that some are lacking. earlier in the debate, as does my client here, donald trump, said that's all good. we're having a great time here. i only retweeted for a simple reason, i was gleeful and a bit emotional which not my style on just hearing at last a republican presidential millions of people giving the best messaging the best impassioned defense of life, the sanctity of life. and he talked about being pro-life and he took the case to hillary clinton. you're the one who's a extreme, abortion, any time, anywhere. been working on that for decades, it took donald trump to do it. >> let me ask you this final question here. the election rigging criticism, voter fraud fears and this and
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trump has walked it back a lot. but our new nbc surveymonkey poll showed nearly half of trump supporters will believe the election is rigged if he doesn't win. do you expect some responsibility or does the campaign accept some responsibility for that number being so high with so little evidence to prove it? >> no. people already think that the entire system is rigged against system. the elections every four years are part of that. it's the essence of the candidacy, chuck. >> but do you believe the elections are rigged in this country? >> i believe -- well, i don't like a lot of the information, the objective information about the dead people on the rolls -- >> all of that has been debunked. people die -- 2.5 million people die every year on the voter
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dead people off the voter polls. >> it takes our government an awful lot of time to do most things competently. that's part of the problem here. but when it comes to the elections i think if you went through every single hypothetical possible with my colleague robby mook or his client, hillary clinton, they would walk back we're going to accept the election results. if you said, if you lost by half a point in this state or if it came down to 500 some votes in that state we don't know. so of course we respect the principles of american and if we're concerned about the american democracy as so many chest beaters were this week, ask hillary clinton why she takes fens of millions of dollars from countries that hate women and disrespect women and throw gays of off of building. that's using the state department as a concierge for foreign donations not really respecting our american democracy. >> kellyanne conway, i will leave it there. thanks for coming on the show. >> thank you. coming up, we're going to
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in her role before. interpret what she said when it came to donald trump's 100 day speech. >> look, your job she has is to spin whatever happens. i hate going out with those accusations that you are going to sue everybody. it's the craziest way to begin a substantive speech. a groom showing up at the rehearal dinner with a and thinking the wedding is going to okay. was this scripted? does he just do it? i really have no idea. it stops you from being able to deliver a clear message. >> she was trying to say that, yes, he should stay on the issues and the ideas she didn't want to say -- she didn't want to go behind him and say he should not have brought up these women. but that's what happened. in the debate -- you could tell he was kind of sticking to the issues. he was at his best when he was
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then he started saying he might not accept the results of the election. that turned the whole headline into that. when he sticks on his issues, he is at his best. everybody that's working for him is trying to get him to do that. trump is going to do down the way he wants to. >> i laid out this morning the coverage ever his speech yesterday. only "the wall street journal" did the headline as the agenda and subhead as the lawsuits. everybody else was the lawsuits was the headline, the agenda was subhead. >> you know, people always ask, are these things scripted? does he plan it? are his aides in on that? no. when trump acts like trump, he puts his aides in these horrible positions. very, very uncomfortable for the people that work for him. that's kind of the position you put yourself in when you work for a guy like that. >> i want to move to tim kaine. you spent a lot of time
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this tpp issue, nobody has ever truly believed -- if you covered hillary clinton long enough, nobody believed that her switch on this was anything other than political. did anything tim kaine said convince you otherwise? >> not in the least. if i were an oil company and i had a huge spill on the coast of california, i'm hiring her. i have never seen anybody able to talk her way out of a bad client. the real truth i think chuck, when be look back at this election, it will be the el up. donald trump blew up the republican party. bernie sanders kind of blew up the democratic party. it was patched over because of the urgency of defeating donald trump who was a greater threat. trade will be a central part of what will see that fracture. it's the first place it will appear. >> we will see it right away. as you know, right after -- it's the november trip, being a white house correspondent, i hated it. it's the long trip.
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immediately, the president and potentially the president-elect -- no matter who wins the presidency -- are going to be at odds over a huge deal around the world. >> i actually think that that's exactly right. because of the crisis in the republican party is garnering all the headlines, the democrats are overlooking the looming crisis in their party because i think the primary between bernie sanders and hillary clinton really showed that hillary clinton is where the head of the democratic party is. but the people really are with bernie sander trade. you saw tim kaine say, well, we're not for tpp. an asian trade agreement, yeah, probably for that. the democratic party -- their heart is against that. that's going to be a bloody fight. the same is true in the republican party. >> i've been talking to progressives who tell me they are organizing against hillary clinton. they are saying, we will have to push her every step of the way. we don't trust her. this idea about tpp, they're not
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answer. they are thinking that, i don't trust these people. i don't know what they're going to do when they get in there. >> tpp represents the single greatest liberal achievement on trade since we have negotiated trade agreements. the first deal that has real labor protection and real environmental protection. that's exactly what obama will be selling the morning after. >> ironically, stu, i have had democrats say this to me, especially in this issue, if you are hillary clinton, secretly you hope paul ryan is still the speaker of the house, you need one republican basically tell progressives, this is as far as i can go. >> what's extraordinary about this debate on trade is the republican is really to the left of the democrat. he is up there saying bernie sanders is right. he wants 45% tariffs. i don't -- i think it would be good to have someone like paul ryan there who can argue a more conservative viewpoint of why we need this. >> let's go into numbers. we got early voting numbers here.
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we know the partisan break down of the voters. you can see how the candidates are stacking up to years past. with data provided by a democratic firm called target smart, florida's vote, republicans and democrats are pom polling about the same, 42-42, 39-40. look at north carolina, republicans accounted for 50% of all absentee vote in 2012. now it's it's proof that it looks like the democrats have the mechanic advantage. >> all of our modelling in presidential politics, two equal campaigns. we have never had a situation where the trump campaign doesn't have much of an organization. it's more of a concert tour. what are the implications of that? some have argued as trump did in the primary, it doesn't matter. we're going to see the first test of that because say what you will about the clinton
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with top people. and i think that republicans are greatly disadvantaged in these states because we never went through the presidential campaign of raising money and giving it to the states to build this. we will see how it plays out in the early numbers. >> how much pan do you hear from senate candidates? >> absolutely. i would add one note of caution about the early voting numbers. we don't know how any of these people went into the ballot box this is based on the party somebody is affiliated with. one of the things people have speculated about are democrats going to vote like traditional democrats? are republicans going to vote like traditional republicans? just a note of caution on that. to stu's point, this is like a political science experiment in whether ground game matters. what you have heard from senate candidates are they have had to build out presidential-type ground games in each and every state. that's tremendously difficult. >> i will wrap this up.
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we are back. data download time. hillary clinton is holding on to a solid lead. so democrats are looking to run up the score down the ballot. their chances to take back the senate look good. what would turn 2016 into an actual wave election that could help democrats get the 30 seats they would need to win a house majority? our pal at the cook political report rated these 19 house districts across the country as pure tossup races. 17 are held by republicans. just two by democrats. if this does become a wave election, democrats would probably win the lion share of those races. throw those in. add in several seats that democrats are likely to win largely because of redistricting that took place in florida and virginia and the democrats could
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categories. however, for this truly to be a wave election, democrats are going to have to score upsets in places republicans normally win. so these are the 12 lean republican races across the country. there are three that i'm going to pay special attention to on election night. kansas city, des moines and indiana's ninth district which includes bloomington. t a see if democrats win two of these three or all three of them, then it will tell you a lot about moderate republican turnout. it may have not been there which could, in turn, mean a bad night for the republicans across the board. we did see big waves in 2006 when the democrats took back the house and senate and in 2010 when republicans flipped the house back by a huge margin. despite all this, history may not be on the democrat's side. the last time the house of
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1952. ask yourself, is this an eisenhower wave that's come sng when we come back, we will talk about whether there is a real possibility to rig a general election in the united states. as we go to break, here is another light moment from last night's snl. >> all of the newscasters are making me look so bad. >> how are we doing that? >> by taking all of the things i say and all of the things i do
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back now with our panel. before we get to the election rigging stuff, i want to talk about what i just did on the
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not since 1952 has the house changed in a presidential election. if it does, who leads the republican party? >> i find myself with two minds when i think of that. one is, you would like to have republicans have skin in the game. both for the reasons you talk about, to discipline the left wing of the democratic party but also that we can't get anything big done without that. but i have another mind. maybe this party just needs to crash this version of the republican party needs to die so out of the ashes just as a new democratic party came out of the post-mcgovern era, that we will get a democratic leadership council movement, a sane republican party. >> there you go. >> that's going to happen regardless whether republicans lose the house -- >> will there be 75% of the party are trump voters. it's 25% that think the way you think. >> what i think is going to happen is the party is crashing
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donald trump i think will preach to the converted after the election. but the party is going to have to -- trump supporters i think haven't gotten the attention that they deserve from the party. the party is going to grapple with how to incorporate trump supporters and parts of trumpism on trade and immigration in particular. that needs to happen. i think both parties have neglected the voters. many of them are former democrats. >> what's best for the republican party, total collapse or keep paul ryan there to be the guy that so >> where the republican party goes is up in the air. it's got to be reality based. i just keep going back to this, 1980, ronald reagan won 44 states with 56% of the white vote. mitt romney got 59% and lost. a lot of these conversations you hear about the republican party are like you are on the interstate, you have 100 miles to go and you only have 45 miles of gas.
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republicans have to decide we can reach out to more non-white voters and will elections or not. there's no alternative. >> when i go to these rallies for pence and for donald trump and i talk to people, they don't feel as though the republican party really stuck with them. they feel like the party just doesn't understand the anxiety they are feeling about the economy and also about health care and what they're going to take care of their families. they sound like people who voted for obama. i was talking to whether they voted for obama. they thought there was going to be change. the republican party, 75% of them don't sound like the people that the establishment says they are. >> it's interesting you bring that up. iowa and ohio haven't sort of -- hillary clinton hasn't taken off during this spell. that means, there are obama voters from '12 who they painted mitt romney as the guy that
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way obama talked about romney. >> there's not an enormous segment but a significant segment of the electorate that feels, when trump talks about a rigged election, that doesn't feel necessarily that the election is going to be rigged but that the system is rigged against them. they haven't gotten the attention from either party that they deserve. i think that's scorned by elites in both parties. i don't think that the debate is over whether or not the republican needs to reach out to minority voters or to these voters, but it's how to d immigration reform, the magic bullet? does moderating the party stance on entitlement reform or welfare state, is that more constructive? >> it does seem as if -- i thought one of your -- i thought ross had an -- he said the risk with hillary clinton is the idea of group think about globalization. this is what some skeptical
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for him are thinking about. you know what? maybe she's not going to rethink how globalism works. >> i would take it one step deeper, if i could. i think we're in the middle of the single greatest technological inflection point. the workplace is being transformed. what bill clinton said in 1992 just doesn't apply anymore. what did he say at that convention? if you work hard and play by the rules you should be in the middle class. good luck with that. reengineer, retool. and i used to say, when i graduated from college, i got to find a job. my daughters have to invent a job. that's what's new. you may get your first job but you have to reinvent and nobody wants to trust the people with that truth. it's really scary. >> does the clinton campaign get this? >> it's hard to say that they get this. if you hear them talking about
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they still believe that if you go to college or if you do this, it sounds like they are saying, you can -- >> sounds like bill clinton. >> yeah. this is the america you can have. there's this american dream. when you talk to people who have four degrees or master's programs and they can't find jobs or they're living in the basement of their parents' house, those are people who voted for bernie sanders or are solid trump supporters. 45 seconds with our end game segment, truman's first year in office. >> coming up, "meet the press" end game, brought to you by end game, brought to you by boeing, building the futur - this costs you money and runs on gas. this saves you money and runs on calories. save the car for rainy days and long road trips. biking is better for your body and your budget.
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"meet the press" enter game is brought to you by boeing, building the future one century at a time. >> back now with end game. despite the talk about hillary clinton wanting to work across the aisle, should paul ryan stay or go, it's clear clinton and obama are looking for a wave. look how much president obama is suddenly appearing in down ballot tv ads. here is a montage.
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we need more people like her in washington. vote for brad and the democrats. so we can keep america's promise to our seniors. [ speaking spanish ] charlie needs your vote. please stand with him. i know he will always stand with you. >> this reminds me of mitt romney 2014. he was popular enough to use in the down ballot he suddenly is popular in swing state ads. >> it's a huge advantage for any party to have a popular incumbent president. if you are a clinton advance person, it's a sweet spot to be in for the next few weeks. you can call and say, do you want the president, do you want the first lady, do you want bernie sanders, do you want bill clinton? how about joe biden? you can build a rally with those people.
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it's really starkly different when you see what's happening with the trump campaign and who he is traveling with. it limits the audience appeal. >> how do the senate candidates handle this that president obama is playing -- he called out marco rubio. this has to make that vice grip tighter. >> republican candidates are constrained not only by democratic strings but by trump's weaknesses. er presidency. republican candidates can't say that. there's a segment trump voters who will vote against them, threaten to vote against them if they say that. they cannot go out and campaign on essentially conceding the election to hillary clinton. they are running ads on republican senate candidates being a check. they would have to say it forthrightly. they cannot do that. >> nevada senate, tom, the
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against when trump and the sexual assault language came out, he said -- he said it was personal for him. his wife had been a victim of sexual assault. he couldn't do it. apparently, he hasn't led in a poll since. the trump voters are punishing him. >> i think what is scarier is what happens if trump loses after the election? which donald trump -- people say he will start his own media company and be constantly terrorizing the republican party from the right. this will be very interesting. you see ink and trump inc. the united states government association next year i think is holding the women's u.s. open at a trump golf course. >> will they? >> that's going to get real interesting. you can see a real tension between trump ink and trump inc. >> the people punishing the down ballot candidates, they are buying into the idea the election is rigged. if you say i want a check on
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into the system that you are somehow part of the system that is denying trump his rightful win. that's a problem. i should say to add, i covered bernie sanders for a long time. he would say the economy is rigged. he never said the election was rigged. this idea is that it was -- seeds that grew into what we see now. because it's not a far leap for some people. >> why does your party struggle with its most conservative movement being satisfied with incrementalism? while the progressive wing of the democratic party base of the republican party being a base that always assumed that the next generation would be better. they really bought into this idea that if you could work hard, that this is sort of like a birth right of being an american. that basic compact with the government and with society feels threatened. i think that's very frightening. >> well, we will leave it there. by the way, i should note, i'm a dodgers fan.
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i will say this with clinched teeth, a trip to the world series after beating my dodgers. the cubs will be facing the indians tuesday. the cubs haven't been in a world series since 1945. and they won a world series -- they haven't won since a roosevelt was president, teddy. that was in 1908. they have only won when teddy roosevelt is one-time chicago native, celebrating the -- watching the cubs post-game celebration. she did not don a yankees cap. that's all we have for this week. two more sundays until election day. we will be back next week, because if it is sunday, it's
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